00:00:00Speaker 1: Oh, good.

00:00:01Speaker 2: Awesome. So, you know, we have you know, as you may have seen in the in the slides, we have three different roles. One is proposal owner, the other is funders, and the other is contributors. So first I would like to ask, you know, which role would you consider yourself to be know like. That you know, that you're doing. For example, like, are you more likely to be a founder or an owner or like a contributor to the House and the projects?

00:00:37Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I do a lot of things in Bitcoin, so technically, I can be all three. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Yeah. I mean, as I often do, I find my own my own work streams. As a contributor, I work on a workstream. So my work stream budget is what I work with. What's the last one again?

00:00:55Speaker 2: Owner. Owner. Yeah. Owner.

00:00:57Speaker 3: Yeah. So I think as an owner, I think that's Bitcoin down, which I also sort of represent I guess. Yeah. So we can sort of do all three.

00:01:07Speaker 2: All right, then which ones should we pick? Yeah. So actually we were thinking for founder part. All right.

00:01:17Speaker 3: So yeah. So I think there's one perspective that might be interesting, which is, uh, as a funder because bitcoin funded elements of prime the dollars, that's kind of important. But if Bitcoin is going to be using this product, then it will be more of owner, right? Because Bitcoin is trying to sort of run a public goods coalition, which I think the proposal is something that would be applicable product for us to use.

00:01:48Speaker 2: Okay. Okay. Then we can maybe go with the proposal on limit. Is that okay for you?

00:01:53Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm okay. Yeah. Just just remind me what the persona is and the specifics of it.

00:01:59Speaker 2: Great. Then. Yeah. Then we have some general background questions, like tell us a bit about yourself, your motivation, your goals, maybe age, frustrations you got.

00:02:15Speaker 3: In Bitcoin as a funder.

00:02:18Speaker 2: Yeah. Like, you know, your work space, how you handle work. So, you know, like what you're working on on the tree regarding proposals like funding. So like ownership of proposals like the tools that you're using in the tree. Oh, okay. Things like that. Well.

00:02:39Speaker 3: We mostly just do the Multisig wallet to just make sure the funds go out. And for me, my challenge is tracking that, you know, make sure that what we are funding is actually doing what it should be doing. And for that, we mostly just use notion to track what's happening. Mm hmm. Yep. So if you're talking about specifically the pain point, I think the idea is how do we ensure that the work that we do actually ties into what we intended it to do?

00:03:06Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Yeah. And then that definitely can get complicated. And if you're working with multiple channels, it's what you intend sometimes gets to, like, gets a bit messy. Great. So could you, like, tell us about the funding process of. Of Bitcoin?

00:03:30Speaker 3: I think for us, the funding process, if we're talking about Bitcoin now as a funder really well, we we put our proposal, we talked to say the DAO or a project that we want to fund and then we strike up a proposal that aligned to both Bitcoin and the organization. But we sort of like decide how much tokens should be sent over and ratify on our proposal entirely and then it's executed. So that's really the process of funding projects.

00:04:00Speaker 2: Great. And then, you know, when you work in like when you're owning that project, what kind of like pain points have you experienced with contributors and stakeholders?

00:04:15Speaker 3: I mean, the biggest challenge is that ultimately the community has to agree. Most proposals that come our way are kind of half done. I don't feel that it's sufficiently clear for the funds that they are asking. And well, after that, how do we follow up? Because I think a lot of times it's like you just want to get that. You want to get a funding amount and then what happens next? You figure it out as we go. But as somebody who is funding projects, I am actually quite concerned about whether, you know, my funding decisions are good and whether, you know, the organization actually carries out what it promised.

00:04:50Speaker 2: Great. And, you know, what do you do as an owner? Like, what do you expect from funders besides like besides funding, for example, like when you do a, when you own the project. What do you expect to get the most out of funders?

00:05:09Speaker 3: Right. Well, I suppose the clearest thing that I'm looking for amongst projects is accountability mechanisms. Like I want to make sure that what they are working on this actually aligned to like what the original agreements were. I mean, something pretty important, especially when it comes to token swaps like we sometimes do token swaps before they even have a token. So how do I make sure that the token allocations are done properly and that Bitcoin has a stake in the DOL? I mean, these are all pretty important things.

00:05:39Speaker 2: Mm hmm. And similar question. But this time, you know, what do you expect from your contributors? Similar. If the answer is similar, then we can skip it too.