00:00:00Speaker 1: I think it's my candidate, if not Meredith's perfect. All right, so, Angela, I think I've seen you maybe, like, a very long time ago, but. Want to start with some background questions. But first, before I start with a background question, I do want to ask, since you are a bit more involved in the proposal inverter since the beginning and you've heard a lot about it within the engineering comments. Which of these three roles that have been outlined in the as a proposed inverter do you identify with the most? Would you identify with most owner? All right. Okay, perfect. So back to the background questions. Tell us a bit about yourself. How old are you? What's your name? What are your motivations, your goals?

00:00:56Speaker 2: And I was super interested in the proposal inverter because I'm in this role of I acquire funds for token engineers to collaborate and work on particular challenges. This is what we have been doing over the last 18 months at an engineering academy. And the challenge here is that we have junior token engineers in our space. For them, it's just hard to jump on a on a token engineering project and super scarce senior token engineers. So I guess you've might experience this in the course of working on Proposal Inverter, too. This is just a very limited number of people who have experience in token engineering. And so how to get these two parties together, the juniors who want to learn, the seniors to help them learn, and we created open science programs. These open science programs need a budget of around 5060 K to conduct it. And so we've reached out to a couple of Daos to fund it and were successful. But it was such a huge load of work to synchronize all the conversations, to write the proposals, to be in touch with the DAO. So and this was where I said, oh, this would be so cool to have the proposal inverter. And I mean based on the conversations I had with the funding partner as well with the contributors to those programs, I think yeah, some I already have seen some aspects that I like a lot and some other aspects that I am missing and happy to. Provide further.

00:02:45Speaker 1: Feedback. Thank you for sharing that. And can you maybe go even more kind of more personal in the background, like more describing about yourself and you being in the web3 space?

00:02:59Speaker 2: I've been I've entered web free crypto in 2017 and have a background by training as a designer, also UX design and then spend several years in DC early stage investments verify business models the problem solution fit, product market fit and on both sides at early stage projects and startups as well as investors. And in 2017 meet first crypto people. And then we started to dig into the token and designing token economies and from there did a lot of work on the community side, establishing the community just created space and and platforms for discussing token engineering topics and and then since 22. Sorry, 2020. Kicked off the TV Academy and then designing educational programs at the moment took an engineering fundamentals, which is a bachelor level program. And again, we have. Several funding partners. And now so again, a situation where you have one project want to get several. Payers on board and how to structure this.

00:04:35Speaker 1: Awesome. And what would you consider your motivations of entering the abstract space of Web3 in the first place?

00:04:43Speaker 2: For me, this is the power to design economies instead of products, and instead of this bidirectional buy sell relationships we have in web two, there are so many more dimensions of value flows we can create and this is super powerful. And at the same time, it's also motivation to me that this is so hard. It's like it's really designing complex systems. And this is not just what we as human beings are super good at, but we see that the challenges we have on this planet, like global coordination, like climate change, these are all problems where we have to apply complex systems thinking. And this is why I think that token engineering can provide solutions to challenges we have and have such a hard time to find solutions.

00:05:40Speaker 1: That's beautiful. And like I probably think you already mentioned a couple of it, but what are maybe you can summarize it a bit better. What are a couple of frustrations you're experiencing within maybe an engineering commons or web tree proposal funding those type of contacts? Context. Yeah. What are some frustrations?

00:06:08Speaker 2: Frustrations are. Just thinking. I think a token engineering, we have a special situation that is a little bit different from, let's say, software engineering in crypto because of the scarcity. It's not only that we have, you know, a well-established crowd of people doing this or frameworks to facilitate working on it. Of a common, you know, all these standards you have in software development from what is a pool request and how to collaborate and from the to radical GitHub to an you know. Universities that train that we don't have that for token engineering. And that's of course, it's a it's there are a lot of challenges here and sometimes it's just why are we so damn slow? We should be way faster. And but it's about unique the people and, and the people need to acquire skills and that takes time. Whereas from the other side, from the project side, they always want to have a token engineer tomorrow. And this, of course, is, is sometimes hard. And then. Yet. I'm basically evangelizing on token engineering every single day. Sometimes I feel like a parent, but this is obviously my world.

00:07:42Speaker 1: Yeah, that's nice. And who else? I mean, you already mentioned a lot of organizations just now. And who else do you work with within Web three, the web space, do you work with individuals? Your work more with organizations? Yeah. Tell us a bit about your Web three social network.

00:08:06Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really multi dimensional. It's first of all, the core academy team that is some stable contributors who are core team working continuously for the academy. But then per course, we have our teachers and mentors who come on board for a particular topic and there we collaborate for 1 to 5 months very intensively. But once a program is finished, this collaboration comes to an end and concludes and we might stay in touch, more loosely connected until we find another location to collaborate. Then there is TCT comments for all kinds of the connections to the community, also communications, working with juries, team for all the social media. And then there is the students of course at the Academy and all the people who sometimes this is really a huge range from crypto natives to people who just have heard about crypto and somehow have an economics background, for example, and are excited about it. So also a huge range in terms of age from 20 to 70 basically. And then since we are building RT fundamentals with people who are building this course like. Experts in building animations for mathematical problems texters and writers, designers, people who are programming discord bots for our platform, e-learning experts. This bunch of people. And then our partners who are funding our programs. And this is, again, the decision makers there, the legal people who are shaping the contracts, their community, who wants to interact with token engineering. And we we shape how this could happen design formats and then the whole crypto space in terms of we are at events running workshops be visible and yeah just get people or make them aware of token engineering. This is it, I guess.

00:10:47Speaker 1: Yeah. Thank you. And you mentioned token engineering comments. That is just kind of to to fact check a bit. It's the Dow you are part of, right? Because the commons is within the common stock terminology is the Dow.

00:11:07Speaker 2: Correct. Right.

00:11:08Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay.

00:11:09Speaker 2: So the texture and and token holder and part of the.

00:11:14Speaker 1: All right. Tell us a bit more about the funding process of that that you're a part of. So the token engineering.

00:11:24Speaker 2: The funding process of of the token engineering comments. It's how token engineering comments is funded.

00:11:31Speaker 1: How token engineering funds its projects.

00:11:36Speaker 2: OC view the the let's say. The hard steps are you put together a proposal, you publish it. There's the conviction voting. And once your proposal went through, funds are distributed and or wrapped. Eckstein.

00:12:02Speaker 1: Of course. Yeah. Sorry. Continue.

00:12:08Speaker 2: There are many more steps. For example, you start a conversation about the Dow sorry about this proposal and its relevance with people before you publish the first proposal, very likely and you set up. We are running AMA sessions to be open to answer own question or participate in in the community call to make people aware of the proposal. And then we are also during the work we are reporting back to the Tutsi or also to other types who have funded us. We invite them to our events. We join again, their community calls to report and keep the community posted on our progress. We update the proposal just to yeah. To it's a matter of sometimes you really can make great connections and also. For me, it's important. Not only once you got this grand, you disappear. But you just get people even more excited because they are stakeholders.